Johann
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:4604
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 00:06 发表主题: Concert tonight | |
| It is impossible for me to enjoy the works of Berlioz. This is proved again tonight. ... And Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez? You can hear, see, and feel Sharon's upset.  _________________ With or without it (religion), you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.
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rogerlee
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:2976
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 09:19 发表主题: Re: Concert tonight | |
| 音乐会没去,无从说起。不过你的新签名好象更有意思,让我想对Mr. Weinberg说一个 Animal's point:
With or without it (love), you'd have people making loves and animals mating, but for people to mate, it takes love.
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simple
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:1810 所在地: boston
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 09:40 发表主题: Re: Concert tonight | |
| 你们两的贴子真精彩,太有看头了  | |
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Johann
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:4604
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 09:58 发表主题: Re: Concert tonight | |
| I remember besides human beings, dophins also mate because of love.
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blueZ
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:2898
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 10:49 发表主题: Re: Concert tonight | |
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Roger同学,你又不是animal,你怎么知道猫猫狗狗这些可爱的animal们就没有love呢?不能discriminate哦。
Roger同学,作为一个human being,你难道不知道某些people 可以mate without love 吗?
证据的真实性不solid,类比不成立。  | |
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rogerlee
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:2976
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 11:51 发表主题: Re: Concert tonight | |
| Then evil people doing bad things, it takes religion too.
对dophins,更准确地说,是人太喜爱dophins了,不忍用mate来说dophins。
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rogerlee
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:2976
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 12:00 发表主题: Re: Concert tonight | |
| 抱 歉,blueZ,我只好说真实些:你我肉体部分都是animal,所以都知道animal mate without love,也知道“某些people 可以mate without love”。而我们都出于某种真正的原因(soul?),并不愿意象animal和某些人那样。
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blueZ
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:2898
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 12:23 发表主题: Re: Concert tonight | |
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roger 同学,有一本书好象叫 The Selfish Gene,建议你读一下。
从个体上,貌似好多male people 可以mate without love,但从群体利益来讲,这样不是很好,于是,为了全人类的自由和解放,社会规范就产生了,和soul没有太大的关系。
Love 的感觉好象和大脑中的某些分子有关,这个重要问题就交给突处生花同学给你科普了。  | |
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Johann
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:4604
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 12:44 发表主题: | |
| 如果非人动物只会 mate without love,如果人给它们写本书让它们学习,它们就能 mate with love 了吗?
如果动物不行,为什么人就行呢? _________________ |
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rogerlee
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:2976
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 13:01 发表主题: Re: Concert tonight | |
| 用个体和群体来解释,还是可以的,不过,你想过没有?社会规范要对个体起作用,又是通过什么分子和基因?会有这样的分子和基因吗?如果有,大家知道教育是可以达到社会规范要对个体起作用的,那么,教育的过程,产生了这些分子和基因?
“Love 的感觉好象和大脑中的某些分子有关”,我想,跟Love 的感觉相关的多了,眼神还跟它相关呢。
至于selfish gene,有你研究就够了,我嘛,可以多读读报,看看电视,抓个龙虾什么的,爬爬山也不错。你还不出头组织hiking,让GT大老远的到屯里还要组织hiking。。。
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rogerlee
注册于:2004-09-20 帖子:2976
| 发表于: 10/20/2006 13:07 发表主题: | |
| 当然不能。
“如 果动物不行,为什么人就行呢?”这个问题提得好。人不只是“动物”,我日记里用了辜鸿铭的话:“because man is a being who has a soul, and because the soul in him, which looks into the past and future as well as the present -- not like animals which live only in the present -- feels the need of understanding the mystery of this universe in which they live. ” | |
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